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Vivek Ramaswamy hosted Ann Coulter on his podcast and she said she couldn’t vote for him because he’s “an Indian,” even though she agreed with him more than any other candidate. Ramaswamy brings his perspective on the strange occurrence to today’s show.

Ramaswamy clarified that if this country was not suffering from an alien invasion and there was a sense of national pride, combined with rational immigration policies that didn’t condone open borders, he doesn’t think his ethnic origin would have actually been an issue for her.

“If we didn’t have self-hatred permeating every institution in this country – if we actually had a revival of national pride in this country – if English was the sole language, I don’t think Anne Coulter would tell me to my face that she couldn’t vote for me because of my Indian heritage,” Ramaswamy said. “The reactionary impulse takes over the very thing you were going to fight for in the first place.”

Ramaswamy then said that he believed the reason Republicans did not take over major wins in 2022 is because there was not an alternative vision that Conservatives stand for when it comes to affirmative policies, such as marriage, free speech, and the rule of law.

“You have a lot of self-hatred of this country from immigrants who are taken in, and [you see] the sixth or seventh generation of a kid who grew up on the Upper East Side and it’s the same thing. I think that is a deeper issue in our country,” Ramaswamy said. “Saving this country involves some measure of sacrifice.”

Ramaswamy said he thinks it’s weird that every other ethnicity can take pride in their heritage except white/WASP people. He added that we should have a shared conviction in American pride rather than a reactionary one.

“The left offers a coherent vision,” Ramaswamy said. “We have fallen into the trap of just making this an end in itself of playing Whac-A-Mole with the other side, versus fighting for it. Unless we learn from that, I worry we are going to have the red wave that never came in 2022.”