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Elon Musk is unabashedly pro-legal immigration, and on Christmas of all days, he ignited a firestorm by noting that a dearth of engineering talent in Silicon Valley is holding up progress on some of America’s most critical technological projects.
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Elon is, of course, an immigrant–one of the most famous African Americans in the world, as are several high-profile entrepreneurs in the tech industry.
To me his observation seemed anodyne, even obvious. America has a huge problem with illegal immigration, and there are plenty of indications that the H1B visa process is broken and needs to be fixed. But it is also true that America has been extremely good at skimming the cream off other, less free and prosperous societies, and that has helped drive America’s innovation economy.
No, we need more like double that number yesterday!
The number of people who are super talented engineers AND super motivated in the USA is far too low.
Think of this like a pro sports team: if you want your TEAM to win the championship, you need to recruit top talent wherever…
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 25, 2024
Immigration policy in America should obviously driven by the goal of improving America, not becoming a welfare magnet for the world. It isn’t just unfair to Americans to ask us to subsidize the well-being of non-Americans, but it undermines our long-term prosperity.
Your understanding of the situation is upside-down and backwards.
OF COURSE my companies and I would prefer to hire Americans and we DO, as that is MUCH easier than going through the incredibly painful and slow work visa process.
HOWEVER, there is a dire shortage of extremely…
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 25, 2024
It comes down to this: do you want America to WIN or do you want America to LOSE.
If you force the world’s best talent to play for the other side, America will LOSE.
End of story.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 25, 2024
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What was striking to me about the dispute was not that there was an argument about what the right immigrants can bring to America, but rather the level of hostility expressed to the idea of bringing in talent from around the world. I think it is true that America needs to up its game when it comes to producing engineers and other skilled individuals–too many Americans are getting ridiculous degrees in X-studies and too few are going into the STEM fields.
Loomer is trolling for attention. Ignore.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 26, 2024
Some of this is cultural–good times have made weak men, and too much of it is the cultural elite focusing on equity and “social justice.” K-12 in most places, at least outside the elite public schools and some private schools is less focused on achievement than some phony notion of social and emotional learning.
If “winning” means importing millions of Indians then I’ll take the silver medal bro. https://t.co/6LrwSqlZyY
— Comrade Stump (@GranTorinoDSA) December 25, 2024
This has been a problem for decades. My father, who taught Physics and Astronomy, told me decades ago that a huge proportion of his students were foreigners. He didn’t mind that the foreigners were coming here–it was great for him and the science programs–but he worried that Americans were choosing softer fields of study.
I will split the difference with Vivek: The reason that Indians and other successful minorities in the US succeed is by blending the culture of hard work and familial dedication with the American spirit of dynamism born from the founders and the frontier spirit
Pure Asian… https://t.co/cqh14GCUyn
— Saagar Enjeti (@esaagar) December 26, 2024
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I’m not certain what started the entire dispute, but one of the factors that started the ball rolling was Trump’s naming Sriaram Krishnan to a senior position overseeing AI:
Trump has named Sriram Krishnan as Senior Policy Advisor for AI.
Krishnan, an Indian immigrant, wants to remove limits on H-1B visas, flooding America’s STEM labour market with foreign workers. He will collaborate with fellow Trump appointee David Sacks, who was named “AI and… pic.twitter.com/g1nJqApiHM
— AF Post (@AFpost) December 24, 2024
The funny thing is that Krishnan is not, as far as I can tell, pushing for increasing the H-1B visa numbers but rather for rejiggering the country limits on Green Cards, which is a totally different kettle of fish. The limits are not set rationally right now. H-1B visas are about importing temporary labor, often for medium-skilled programming jobs, not bringing in highly skilled immigrants to settle here, start businesses, settle down and become Americans.
Trump Is NOT AMERICA FIRST:
Trump names Sriram Krishnan as Senior Policy Advisor for AI.
Krishnan, an Indian immigrant, wants to remove limits on H-1B visas, flooding America’s STEM labour market with foreign workers. pic.twitter.com/4eItEPCzst
— DR JANE RUBY™️ (@RealDrJaneRuby) December 25, 2024
It’s not, then, about displacing Americans, making money, and sending remittances back home.
Peter Thiel (Germany), Sacks (South Africa), Elon (same), Sergey Brin (Russia), Jensen Huang (Taiwan) many such cases, we can do this all day. OBVIOUSLY America benefits from skimming the cream. Simultaneously, it’s obvious H-1B visa and chain migration have been exploited.
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) December 26, 2024
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I don’t know what the appropriate level of immigration from India is, but I was shocked to see a full-blown war erupt, complete with attacks on Indians as a people, rather than a debate about the pros and cons of various immigration policies. Attacks went all the way up to Trump himself as abandoning America first, and Vivek Ramaswamy as not pro-America enough.
No Vivek
America first means Americans play the game, not Indians https://t.co/v7d7a1l01N
— BIPOC Doing Racism (@BIPOCracism) December 25, 2024
Hundreds or more posts from supposed MAGA types filled my feed yesterday. I can’t tell if they were just the Groyper-types who seem angry at everything and everyone or whether there is a significant backlash against legal immigrants that goes beyond mere policy issues. But the hostility was real and directed at people, not policies.
Elon is great. Sacks is great. They won’t wilt over this discussion.
Some of the vulgar racism from supposed MAGA is offset by numerous Indians calling American inbred. No side can really be blamed for a few lowlifes. Thats what the left does. Cries over a few fringe goobers.
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) December 26, 2024
I don’t disagree with the argument that America shouldn’t depend on other countries for talent–we need a K-12 education system that focuses on education, developing talent and stops indoctrinating kids into race and gender-obsessed studies. We also need to foster risk-taking. Americans are dramatically less likely than immigrants to start businesses.
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40-50% of silicon valley startups are founded by immigrants.
there is, in fact, a “magic activator” that occurs when one crosses the border: a corporate culture and legal and financial system conducive to founding and growing companies and commercializing ideas.
if your home… https://t.co/uQE9QdTJZo
— el gato malo (@boriquagato) December 26, 2024
Our big problem with immigration is that to put it bluntly, we have been letting in the bottom feeders. Opening borders, spreading welfare dollars around, and justifying it by pointing to low-paid agricultural jobs needing to be filled is just stupid and destructive. We need people who want to climb the economic ladder and produce dramatic increases in value and productivity.
Although immigrants made up just 13.7 percent of the U.S. population in 2017,
they made up almost 30% of all new entrepreneurs in the US that year. Immigrants continue to be nearly twice as likely as native-born people to start new businesses. pic.twitter.com/aO7accb70H— Spike Cohen (@RealSpikeCohen) October 15, 2020
It’s not about replacing Americans; it’s about strengthening American culture. Vivek Ramaswamy, Usha Vance, and legal immigrants from around the world make America stronger. Look at the people around Trump–patriotic, America-first, and color-blind.
Only 14% of US residents are immigrants.
But immigrants are responsible for 36% of aggregate innovation.
Two-thirds of this contribution is due to making their native-born collaborators better. pic.twitter.com/CJXZfAGHz6
— Alec Stapp (@AlecStapp) December 26, 2024
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I agree that H-1B visas have been a tool to exploit Americans and reduce wages for talented Americans. We don’t need to import cheap labor. But the H-1B visa abuse is far different from importing the best and the brightest from around the world. We need to invest in building human capital here through better education, getting rid of DEI, and promoting talent over nonsense social engineering.
We should also recruit skilled and talented people who will start businesses and increase innovation. I am on board with that.