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After the alleged murderer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was caught on Tuesday, MSNBC’s Joy Reid was extra Joy Reid-y on The ReidOut. She gleefully noted that people on the internet are not angry at the murder, and when she welcomed progressive author and radio host Thom Hartmann, wondered how such reactions could be made in the same country that just elected Donald Trump. For his part, Hartmann declared that the reason why America does not have a socialist healthcare system is because of racism.

Reid began by pretending to be shocked that liberal Twitter sleuths are not eager to find lefty assassins, “Something a bit unexpected has happened following the murder… I don’t want to call it glee but, say, not unhappiness. Especially online, where the internet sleuths who often dedicate themselves to tracking down people accused of racist behavior in public places, criminals including January 6th fugitives, and more have actively been refusing to help.”

She then hyped how “Donald Trump Jr., son of our incoming ruler, went on his X/Twitter page and did the patented ‘internet, do your thing,’ post. And the reaction was mostly, ‘yeah, no.’”

Likewise, she gloated that “Other popular conservatives like Ben Shapiro and anti-woman zealot Matt Walsh saw their mention go up in flames when they tried to attack quote/unquote “evil liberals” for celebrating the murder of a CEO, with some of their supporters replying that they had gotten it wrong.”

Before introducing Hartmann, Reid added, “United has gobbled up dozens of insurance companies over the decades to become not only the larger insurer in the U.S. but, by profits, the largest in the world, and they exist in an industry that is all about consolidation and profit where basically four to five companies control everything and care little about healthcare consumers in the minds of many Americans.”

Reid would eventually ask Hartmann, “It is so ironic to me that people, left and right, are mad at UnitedHealthcare but voted to make America run by UnitedHealthcare, your thoughts?”

Hartmann agreed, “It is totally nuts, Joy, you are absolutely right. Corporations are—if corporations actually were people, they would be psychopaths, you know, they have no conscience, they have no consideration for other people’s feelings, in fact, they don’t have the ability to feel other people’s feelings, and that is how they’re designed.”

While corporations are psychotic, Hartmann viewed government as nothing but flowers, rainbows, and happy faces, “Businesses are run for profit; government is run for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It’s run for the benefit of people. Generally, that’s intangible, it’s really difficult to measure those things, many of those things. I mean, you know, so the FBI stopped eight terrorist attacks; well, how do you measure that people don’t know it happened? 

Hartmann further lamented, “We are the only country in the developed world that does not recognize healthcare as a right, as a human right, and doesn’t cover every single person in the country. 25 million people in America have no insurance whatsoever, and many of us are radically underinsured, and that just is something no other country would tolerate.”

Diving into a history lesson, Hartmann continued:

It goes back to a fellow named Frederick Hoffman in the 1890s. It is an amazing story, I don’t know if you want to get into it, but it basically starts with the story of this guy coming over from Germany… and got a gig as vice president of the Prudential Insurance Company, and in 1896 he published a book called Race, Traits and Tendencies of the American Negro, and his argument was that black people were genetically inferior. Therefore, if we simply denied them healthcare, eventually, within a few generations, all black people would die out and solve the race problem in America. 

He then blamed Hoffman for thwarting Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman’s plans to install a single-payer healthcare system, “I mean, that’s how we got a privatized healthcare system rather than essentially a socialized health system like everybody else has where the government makes sure everybody is covered.”

Meanwhile, in socialized healthcare paradises like Canada, the system merely encourages you to euthanize yourself, while in Britain, waiting times continue to break records. Perhaps that is not what Jefferson meant by “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”