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In a heated conversation on Thursday night, CNN host Anderson Cooper dissed MSNBC as the network where no one asks real questions to Kamala Harris and the Democrats.

The radio host  “Charlamagne Tha God” unloaded the persistent falsehood that nobody’s tough enough on Trump. “I think no network has honest conversations about Donald Trump. You haven’t had — nobody’s had honest conversations about Donald Trump since 2016…. We talk about him being a threat to democracy, but we don’t treat him like one.”

Cooper rightly replied: “I don’t know what you’ve been watching, but like I don’t know of any Trump supporters out there or people like him who are tuning in to me every night to try to get, you know, to be validated in their opinions.”

Cooper also claimed he’s not on MSNBC because he wants to talk to Democrats and Republicans and “I want to learn from them. I don’t think I have the answers. I’m willing to change my mind.” You can question if that defines Cooper’s work under Trump. But here’s where the real MSNBC diss arrived. 

COOPER: I was looking up some comments about my grief podcast, and I came across this whole inundation from people who are Harris supporters saying to me online today, ‘How dare you? What a betrayal that you would ask her these questions. And I’m like, you misunderstand what my job is. I’m not on MSNBC, and no disrespect. They — what they do, is they’re very talented. But it’s — I don’t watch it.

I’m not interested in watching what these overpaid blow-dried anchors think. And I include myself in that overpaid blow-dried, although I don’t blow-dry. I am overpaid. But I don’t want the — I’m not interested in the anchor’s opinion. I’m interested in facts and letting the viewers make up their own mind. So anyway, I’m sorry this devolved.

Then Angela Rye doubled down on the view that Trump must be attacked by every “mainstream” media figure.

RYE: You are one of the most trusted voices on television. And it is important in those moments where, you know, those conversations devolve into nonsense, particularly on the other side of the aisle, their conspiracy theory, they won’t even say her name right. That has to be checked in the moment because that is what fascism looks like. That is how we start sliding down a very slippery slope.

Mispronouncing Kamala is fascism?