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During Wednesday night’s softball interview with MSNBC’s Stephanie Ruhle, Kamala Harris, while wrapped up in one of her usual dodges, used the word “holistically” three times in 30 seconds — and was roasted for it.

Kamala was answering a question about housing affordability.

“Looking holistically at the connection between that and housing and looking holistically at the incentives we in the federal government can create for local and state governments to actually engage in planning in a holistic manner that includes prioritizing affordable housing,” Harris said.

Watch the clip — and the reactions — below: