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Turning Point USA Co-founder and President Charlie Kirk and former Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy visited the University of Pittsburgh on Wednesday and had an interesting exchange with a young liberal female.

The appearance was part of the “You’re Being Brainwashed Tour,” and included taking questions from students and this is where the young woman who said her name is Jane unwittingly proved that yes, young college students are being brainwashed.

The poor girl was no match for Kirk and Ramaswamy, and pretty much admitted it with her first remarks, asking Kirk: “Do you feel proud of yourself for debating college kids who are unprepared to speak in front of an audience like yourself?”

After establishing that she voted, Kirk said that he was “talking to voters of this country that will determine the future of Western civilization.”

He then asked, “How is it any different than a professor talking to you than a professor talking to you?”

Jane replied by questioning just how important Kirk is and he replied, “Well, important enough for you to come up to a microphone?”

“Actually, when I first saw this ad, I thought it was like a, like an improv comedy thing. It looked so ridiculous that I didn’t even think it was real,” Jane said as she realized that her attempt at ridicule fell flat on the mostly conservative crowd around her.

“Well, no, you can see, look how popular Trump is on your campus. How does that make you feel? That’s not comedy,” Kirk said. “That is a five-alarm fire for Kamala Harris because she’s probably gonna lose Pennsylvania.”

Kirk asked the woman if there was anything wrong with talking to voters, explaining that is why they were there.

“I think that you push a dangerous agenda,” she said. After being challenged to name this agenda, she added: “Such as your stance on abortion rights, for example.”

Ramaswamy jumped in and attempted to have a substantive discussion with the woman.

“You’re here challenging Charlie and I think it’s great that he’s willing to travel campuses across this country to talk to the next generation. We need more conversations. Where’s the disagreement though on content? Because you could criticize style or why you’re talking to people or denigrate someone personally, but where do you actually disagree?”

Jane pointed to “the way that you edit content and specifically frame it so that people look bad talking to you,” but Kirk countered by saying, “We post unedited content.”

Ramaswamy pressed Jane to name another issue she disagreed with conservatives on.

“I disagree with the… some of the laws that are being pushed in Congress, that are against the LGBTQ community and the trans community,” she said, after visibly scrambling to come up with a topic.

Ramaswamy proceeded to give his take on the issue, which is essentially that once a person is 18 they are free to pursue whatever agenda they choose, but that they are not “free to indoctrinate children” or force their gender fantasies on others.

It was clear the woman was struggling and Ramaswamy tried to move on to the next person in line, urging her to focus on substance.

When she dared to suggest that they were not focusing on substance, Kirk asked her to be specific and that’s when Jane did something very odd with her wardrobe.

“I’m sorry, I’m very nervous but this is what you do,” she replied. “This is what you do, you take people and you put them under the spotlight, and you –”

“Well, hold on. I didn’t ask you to come up here. You voluntarily came to the front of the line. You didn’t have to do that,” Kirk reminded her.

“You’re purposely antagonizing people on campus, asking people to come up by spreading your weird agenda,” she countered, unable to quantify that agenda when pressed.

Ramaswamy brought an end to the beatdown by letting Jane know that when he was 18, he too “took for granted a lot of the stuff that the media force fed me.”

The online responses to the story were interesting, to say the least — here’s a quick sampling from X:

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